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After the Virginia murders, some data and analysis

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By xare (Contact - View My Woyano)
Published Mon 16 Apr 2007, 535 Views, 18 Comments

What happened in Columbine, was going to happen again, and it will happen again, as long as the NRA controls the government.

  • In the UK, the gun laws were reformed in 1997. By 2003, the gun homicide rate for men in England and Wales had dropped 33%, while the gun homicide rate for women had fallen by 48%.
  • In Canada, where a series of gun law reforms have been introduced since 1991, there was a 46% drop in the recorded gun homicide rate by 2003. This effect was most pronounced for women – while the gun homicide rate for men fell by 37%, it decreased by 61% for women.
  • In Brazil, a new gun law in 2003 restricted who could own guns and included a voluntary weapons collection drive. The following year, gun deaths dropped by 8%, which translated into more than 3,200 lives saved in one year.
  • In Australia, an evaluation in October 2004 of the 1990s gun law reforms found that they had produced dramatic reductions in firearms related deaths.
http://www.iansa.org/campaigns_events/documents/2006/Statistics-2.pdf
http://www.iansa.org/

The 2002 edition of Injury Facts from the National Safety Council reports the following statistics [1] :
  • In 1999, 3,385 kids ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
  • This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
  • The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:
    • 214 unintentional
    • 1,078 suicides
    • 1,990 homicides
    • 83 for which the intent could not be determined
    • 20 due to legal intervention
  • Of the total firearms-related deaths:
    • 73 were of children under five years old
    • 416 were children 5-14 years old
    • 2,896 were 15-19 years old
http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/yourchild/guns.htm


WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d3UUy8-eI4


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    graeme ~ 17 months ago
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    Thanks Xare, interesting statistics. The thing that most baffles me is the sheer scale of random violence that an individual will perpetrate against people he doesn't even know. This is surely not just an issue about the availability of guns. Its also about what shapes people's minds to indulge in such a motiveless and pointless masacre.
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      JV ~ 17 months ago
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      I can't understand what the big deal with regulating guns in the US is. It's not like a ban or anything... it's just regulation. Why do they cling so strongly to the idea of people buying guns like the buy candy?
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        xare ~ 17 months ago
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        I think:
        - huge profits from the gun industry
        - strong lobbies
        - they fund electoral campaings with huge amounts of money

        Basically there is too much money involved.
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          xare ~ 17 months ago
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          I also think, that banning would not be such a bad idea. I know that this does not solve the problem but it does not make it any worse. Guns are made to kill people, no?

          Guns can be at gun clubs and not leave the premises.
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            Loves Bloc Party ~ 17 months ago
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            Great post, finally someone that gets it in the USA!

            Im so tired of guns and the shootings. Peoples lives are way more important then having the ability to go buy a handgun to kill someone.
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              xare ~ 17 months ago
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              Hey,
              I'm not from the US. I have never been there.

              I do believe lot of americans are fed up with arms and weapon businesses.
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                Loves Bloc Party ~ 17 months ago
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                Even so, you get it, and Im glad somebody does. I have always had a hard time trying to get people to understand the gun problem here. I argue that at the time the constitution permitted guns it was because we were fighting the british. We have our independence, we no longer need guns to kill other human beings. It is shameful that laws around the country keep getting passed that allow for more gun violence (like Floridas Stand Your Ground, or allowing concealed handguns).

                What can I say, I am deeply saddened by the loss of life.
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                  Loves Bloc Party ~ 17 months ago
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                  Oh and check out this info I found in an MSNBC article regarding the outrage around the world at Americas Gun Violence:

                  More than 30,000 people die from gunshot wounds in the United States every year and there are more guns in private hands than in any other country. But a powerful gun lobby and support for gun ownership rights have largely thwarted attempts to tighten controls.

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                    ragados ~ 17 months ago
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                    This is interesting however it should be noted that the gun/capita in Canada is higher than in the States. In Switzerland after serving in the military you keep your rifle and 30 rounds of ammunition. Yet in both Switzerland and Canada gun crimes are significantly lower. It should be considered the TYPE of weapons that are used in these crimes (I don't see many AK-47 related street crimnes) and also the culture and the impact that has, the right to bere arms can easily lead to the right to use arms.
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                      Loves Bloc Party ~ 17 months ago
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                      You definetly need a machine gun to hunt deer.
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                        bronwen ~ 17 months ago
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                        Ragados -- that's also a good argument for gun control in my opinion. If gun ownership is higher in Canada and gun crime lower, and the defining difference between Canada and the States on gun ownership is that in Canada you have to register it, well, that seems like a causal connection to me.
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                          ragados ~ 17 months ago
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                          I'm not entirely sure what you mean by registration, certainly checks are carried out in both countries. I can't imagine that the kind of annual checks that occur in the UK are feasible with such high levels of gun ownership though.
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                          littlesister ~ 17 months ago
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                          I regret very much what has happened for all the people involved: as anyone will. It doesn't solve anything to regret or condemn. The only thing that solves something is if one tries to understand why a mind gets a person to do something like this. This mind is not just a product of this boy: it has been formed by his experiences and as such is a reflection of the world outside of him.
                          This tragic figure has emigrated from Sth-Korea, a region not so rich as in the US. His parents probably worked hard in the US. For some reason he developed without bonding with others. When one is used to hard work and sees others play around and being dishonest, there is something very irritating happening. Its just like my colleague who worked her ass off while her co-responsable colleague (for the project) was frisbeeing on the roof of the building. You get irritated. My colleague speaks of it still a year later, but for the rest no worries: she's a friendly and social being.
                          But lets face it. If you look at how some people in the world have to work and others can party, something is wrong. A person who has experienced this from nearby and cannot relate to the easygo-ers gets frustrated. No- I can hear you think - I do not justify his act! I just believe we need to start understanding what is wrong with the society that is breeding these disasters, find the causes and then change the society (even globally - I know, thats difficult overnight :-), but possible if masses want it to, and want wars and disasters to stop).

                          I read that the guy wrote about the fellow students as rich kids, profligate charlatans and deceivers. It's time to reflect whether it in some way is true. Are we rich profligate deceivers? (Or a large part of society). Or are we that if we compare to other parts of the world?
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                            littlesister ~ 17 months ago
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                            Oh, by the way, I do not think it is wrong to enjoy life and say, oh all those serious workers are stupid. I agree totally. But enjoying life has a consequence: help making it a fair play for all. As long as it's not a friendly, fair and open play, but maybe rather an exploitative play, there will be people doing weird and unwanted stuff in reaction. And thus, some individuals are committing suicide bombings, murders like these, etcetera. As long as people are surpressed or isolated, not taken serious, and not loved by others, expoited by others, etc, sad happenings will occur.
                            The stupid thing is: we are all co-responsable for this society that excludes and deceives some in their joy of living life, globally as well as locally. Because how rarely do we make contact with strangers and loners? Most of us even avoid the lonely - somewhat strange - one at work/in school/on the street?
                            And concerning our part in the global seperation of workers and enjoyers: how often do we buy something of which we (could) know it smells of exploitation in some other part in the world? Why do we do that? Do we really want to accept that our joy means deceiving others? Sorry, but it need not be like that.
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                              littlesister ~ 17 months ago
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                              The need for banning guns has arisen because of something like - I believe - the inadequate functioning of society. Banning is a solution with positive effect, if enforced, but it doesn't solve the source of the problem. Enforcement in the USA will be difficult, but at this stage I believe it is needed very much as otherwise I do not think less events like these will occur. BUT: The source of happenings like these are that people have a reason to become violent, even crazy killers etcetera. Society is responsable for breeding these killers. So if you do not want killings: co-create a loving environment where the division of work & income is less unfair. Idealistic? Maybe, but very realistic if you do not want your kid to be killed someday, somewhere. Or do you want a big-brother society that filters out all deviant behaviour in schools, from early stages onwards to protect the ones that 'fit', your kids? What if your kids turns out to get ADHD, and they get filtered out? Is that your wanted reality, your realism? If you start to believe that we can create our reality like we want it we need to start with ourselves. Having time for eachother, for weirdo's and strangers included, is a start of a more loving society. And for being able to do that we return to who we really are, back to our soul. I have never heard of a killer who became a killer because of a too loving upbringing, but I might be wrong. Tell me, if so. But even if so: killers might have to get rid of some good ole karma first! A pity society doesn't recognize this yet. We could treat twisted youngsters and jailed people properly and cure bad karma and other emotional stuff. (Because cures exist, although most have never heard of these approaches and maybe even condemn/judge them without any experience of what they entail) Even meditation intensives like Vipassana turned thousands of killers and criminals in India into compassionate beings. Western jails are not openminded enough to try anything like it. So it's a choice, to not cure peope that are twisted by societies that have treated their soul in less friendly ways. And ok, it needn't even be only the people in society who cause the disbalance in society, harm others that way, it's also the products: it can be a chemical in the food as well that reacts with an other chemical already 'properly' stored in your blood. You know what cocktails can do, why would it be any different in a body? Why are there all kinds of unsafe chemicals in the food anyway? It's such a nice loving society as we believe through ads! - made by charlatans, he's right.
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                                georgie ~ 17 months ago
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                                It's horrific that so many children are dying due to fire arms, in addition to adults and young people. LBP quoted more than 30,000 deaths per year. The obvious question is how many thousands more will perish from gun-related causes before American politicians and gun lobby will realize, we need to work towards prevention.

                                We can have guns or not have them, but they need to be more strictly regulated.
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                                  Loves Bloc Party ~ 17 months ago
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                                  I personally wish we didnt have them, period.
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                                    prettyfly ~ 17 months ago
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                                    Apparently Cho Seung passed the US "background checks" that were carried out on him when he purchased the guns. Surely these regulations & checks need to be thoroughly revised as he was a severely dsiturbed individual.

                                    See below - these are just some of the things said in his video that he posted between shootings.



                                    You had a hundred billion chances and ways to have avoided today. But you decided to spill my blood. You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off.



                                    Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats. Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything.


                                    You have vandalized my heart, raped my soul and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic boy's life you were extinguishing. Thanks to you, I die like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people.


                                    I didn't have to do this. I could have left. I could have fled. But no, I will no longer run. It's not for me. For my children, for my brothers and sisters that you (expletive). I did it for them.


                                    When the time came I did it. I had to.

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                                      This is my two cents...

                                         
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