Is There a Difference Between Truth and Reality?

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By jbravo (Contact - View My Woyano)
Published Fri 15 Jun 2007, 1201 Views, 7 Comments

Seems to me that truth is something fundamental.  Something that is unchanging and is seen as the same from anyone's perspective.  Reality, on the other hand, is based completely on our own perceptions and place in life.   Our perception of reality may be completely opposite of the truth. 

If we could hook our brains up to a computer that could put us in a virtual world (aka The Matrix) -- that would be our reality.  We would perceive it as the real world -- but in actuality, we'd be floating in a chamber full of liquid with tubes sticking out everywhere. 

When we say something is the truth, or a fact, we are saying that it is so, regardless of perspective.   Why is it, then, that there continually appear to be conflicting truths in the world, particularly in areas such as religion, politics and the like?  Is one right, and the other wrong?  Are they all right, or all wrong? 

 Even with things that are regarded as scientic facts or truths, we measure all those things through our perceptions.  The fact that we can consistently measure the same things, that we can seem to understand cause and effect is somewhat reassuring.  But are there other observers that may disagree with our truths?  According to general relativity, different observers may have different opinions about the order in which events occur -- and yet they are all correct within their own frame of reference. 

So, can we say for certain that truth and reality are different?

 

 



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    jbravo ~ 18 months ago
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    While I was poking around, I found a short story that was sort of related...

    http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/illusions.html
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      Dr. Fallon ~ 18 months ago
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      One of the problems with talking about this stuff, jb, is how we talk about it -- what words we use for what concepts, and being consistent in our terminology. Are you looking at a difference between truth and reality? To my ear and eye it sounds like you're talking about a difference between objective reality and perceived or subjective reality.

      "Truth" might be a different matter entirely. And we might need to break "truth" down into two categories, "TRUTH" and "truths."

      Most sane people (IMHO), when witnessing some sort of event, can agree at least on the basics: something happened. Maybe we can even agree on some of the major details. This is evidence that there is, in fact, an objective reality. Our senses, our intelligence, and our language allow us to compare our perceived realities to see what matches and what doesn't match. As I said, most of the time (not all of the time) many of the details (not all of the details) match.

      The reasons why are too elementary to go into, and I'm sure you know all about them already.

      But we have, through our senses, our intelligence, and our language, devised a method for measuring aspects of reality, empiricism. Empiricism allows us to point to things -- events, phenomena, etc. -- and be able to agree with a fair amount of certainty, "such and such happened, in this way, at this place, at this time." These empirically validated agreements become "facts." Voila!!! We can build a bridge or go to the moon, because certain facts have been isolated, certain characteristics of the physical world have been validated.

      "Truth" is a bit trickier. "Telling the truth" means nothing more than giving an accurate account of something in terms of your perceived or subjective experience of reality. A person can be factually inaccurate and still be "telling the truth." There is, to be sure, a relationship between fact and truth, but it is not a determining relationship. Of course, we want every word that every person utters to be an accurate representation of objective reality, but that is impossible. And we certainly have the right, when someone deliberately represents reality inaccurately (i.e., "lies"), to be angry about that.

      Then there is "TRUTH." "TRUTH," as you indicated, is universal and unchanging. That's why it is such a problem for us in a world where we tend not to trust what is not new. What is universal and unchanging appears artificial, arbitrary, rehearsed, and oppressive. It seems manipulative.

      Yet we still, at the very least, give lip service to universal and unchanging ideas. We call them "values." Equality is one. Freedom is one. Individualism is one. We believe in these abstract concepts simply because we choose to: they allow us, we believe -- and rightly so -- to be fully who we are, to live to the fullness of our potential.

      So, it's not as though we've given up entirely on universal values. Yet we have difficulty with TRUTH.

      The values we believe in, however, ARE out TRUTH. We believe in equality, not because it is convenient, but because it is true. We believe in freedom, not simply so we can do whatever we want, but because it is true. We believe in the value of individualism, not merely so we can express oursleves in a way that is different from others, but because it is true.

      TRUTH, in this sense, is both more fundamental and more abstract and ethereal than "truths" or "facts." It is, I believe, far more impoprtant.
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        Dr. Fallon ~ 18 months ago
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        One of the problems with talking about this stuff, jb, is how we talk about it -- what words we use for what concepts, and being consistent in our terminology. Are you looking at a difference between truth and reality? To my ear and eye it sounds like you're talking about a difference between objective reality and perceived or subjective reality.

        "Truth" might be a different matter entirely. And we might need to break "truth" down into two categories, "TRUTH" and "truths."

        Most sane people (IMHO), when witnessing some sort of event, can agree at least on the basics: something happened. Maybe we can even agree on some of the major details. This is evidence that there is, in fact, an objective reality. Our senses, our intelligence, and our language allow us to compare our perceived realities to see what matches and what doesn't match. As I said, most of the time (not all of the time) many of the details (not all of the details) match.

        The reasons why are too elementary to go into, and I'm sure you know all about them already.

        But we have, through our senses, our intelligence, and our language, devised a method for measuring aspects of reality, empiricism. Empiricism allows us to point to things -- events, phenomena, etc. -- and be able to agree with a fair amount of certainty, "such and such happened, in this way, at this place, at this time." These empirically validated agreements become "facts." Voila!!! We can build a bridge or go to the moon, because certain facts have been isolated, certain characteristics of the physical world have been validated.

        "Truth" is a bit trickier. "Telling the truth" means nothing more than giving an accurate account of something in terms of your perceived or subjective experience of reality. A person can be factually inaccurate and still be "telling the truth." There is, to be sure, a relationship between fact and truth, but it is not a determining relationship. Of course, we want every word that every person utters to be an accurate representation of objective reality, but that is impossible. And we certainly have the right, when someone deliberately represents reality inaccurately (i.e., "lies"), to be angry about that.

        Then there is "TRUTH." "TRUTH," as you indicated, is universal and unchanging. That's why it is such a problem for us in a world where we tend not to trust what is not new. What is universal and unchanging appears artificial, arbitrary, rehearsed, and oppressive. It seems manipulative.

        Yet we still, at the very least, give lip service to universal and unchanging ideas. We call them "values." Equality is one. Freedom is one. Individualism is one. We believe in these abstract concepts simply because we choose to: they allow us, we believe -- and rightly so -- to be fully who we are, to live to the fullness of our potential.

        So, it's not as though we've given up entirely on universal values. Yet we have difficulty with TRUTH.

        The values we believe in, however, ARE our TRUTH. We believe in equality, not because it is convenient, but because it is true. We believe in freedom, not simply so we can do whatever we want, but because it is true. We believe in the value of individualism, not merely so we can express oursleves in a way that is different from others, but because it is true.

        TRUTH, in this sense, is both more fundamental and more abstract and ethereal than "truths" or "facts." It is, I believe, far more impoprtant.
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          jbravo ~ 18 months ago
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          Dr. Fallon -- I agree that TRUTH. as you define it, is far more important than "truth" or "facts". Clearly, we have a pretty good method for understanding the physical workings of the universe, and using that knowledge to advance ourselves. We probably only know a smidgen of what's out there to discover -- but we are learning more every day, and at an exponential rate. It quite astounds me, actually. But for all of our knowledge and inventiveness, we can't seem to get any closer to answering the question -- what is TRUTH. The values you link to TRUTH, while they are noble, and I personally agree with them, are not universal values in this world. Equality, freedom, and individualism are not practiced everywhere. Quite often, even those repressed by the lack of these values are perfectly content living within the framework that has been defined in their society. Unless EVERYONE can agree to a common set of values, can we really call any of them absolute TRUTHs? It worries me that we can not all agree on the most fundamental principles that guide our actions. Is the existence of absolute TRUTH just an illusion? Is this just another mechanism of evolution where the values that help us to thrive are the ones that persist as part of our belief system?
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          Dr. Fallon ~ 18 months ago
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          Ooops. Sorry. I put myself to sleep....
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            kaisersosa ~ 18 months ago
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            hmm...i doth ponder so i do........the reality of a truth is always going to be down to ones own perpective, be it a singular perspective or one of a group, religion is always going to be debatable, this is a truth, the reality of it is how people would like to debate, be it verbally or with complete mindless violence(to some) to others, their own take as the realistic approach to what they define as truth....now ive confused myself, this is a reality and also a truth LOL :D
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              jbravo ~ 18 months ago
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              That's OK. I get really confused when thinking about this subject, too :-) It would be less confusing if we could all find some common, underlying truth. Perhaps this is just another sign that we really create our own truths.
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              This is my two cents...

                 
              Hey you know AdGuy always gets the last word! ;)

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