Where does the term "O.K." come from?

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Published Fri 22 Jun 2007, 1828 Views, 11 Comments

Does anyone know the origin of these terms?

1) O.K. As in, "How are you today?" "I'm O.K., thanks." What do the O and the K stand for, and where did it come from?

2) Q.T. As in, "Very hush hush and on the Q.T." It seems to mean keep this information a secret. But what does Q.T. stand for?

3) The Big Apple, as in New York City. Why is it called the Big Apple? Does it have anything at all to do with apples?


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    Edward O'Rourke IV ~ 14 months ago
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    I can at least tell you that the big push to propmote the "Big Apple" term came about the same time as the "I Love New York" campaign.

    That's not to say the term Big Apple wasn't used prior to that.... I'd say it was the musicians that first made the term big in the 30's or so... New York was known for some big race tracks and the prize was often termed the "Apple" and since they had so many it was the "Big Apple" or also referencing the thought that if you made it in new york you made it to the big time.... musicians put the term in songs and often said to to others they had a gig in the "Big Apple" sort of like a slang.

    When the push in the late 60's through 70's to make New York more inviting and a more popular tourist place they re-adopted the term more as marketing than anything else and started plastering the apple and I love new york slogan on everything.

    I always thought QT was short hand for QuieT much like we use lol and brb...

    OK mmmm well I never really thought about it however I'd assume it's an abbriviation too maybe something like ____ Korrekt? since Korrect it correct in german?


    hope this helps :)
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      snak ~ 14 months ago
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      As far as I understand it, O and K were the initials of a quality control guy who used to 'sign off' goods that were good to go. Or were OK!

      I agree with IV on his explanation for QT.

      I always thought the 'Big Apple' was so called 'cos it's full of maggots.

      THAT WAS A JOKE. Don't get upset with me - I've had a hard day.

      BTW London used to be called 'The Smoke' because the smog used to kill people.
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        Edward O'Rourke IV ~ 14 months ago
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        /ignore snak ;) :P
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        PANTERA ~ 14 months ago
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        Ha, I know this one. Andrew Jackson started. It's derived from an Indian word. *Lol* It's from a distant memory of mine. Could just be hullabaloo on my part.

        Goodtimes Ya'll
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          earsz ~ 14 months ago
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          from "origins and meanings of cliches, expressions and words;

          okay (OK) - Okay is one of the most commonly questioned and debated expressions origins. 'OK' and 'okay' almost certainly had different origins, although the meanings were all similar and now have completely converged. There are various sources of both versions, which perhaps explains why the term is so widely established and used:

          * The first publicly acknowledged recorded use of 'OK' was by or associated with Andrew Jackson, 7th US President from 1829-37, to mean 'Orl Korrect', possibly attributed in misspelt form to him mocking his early lack of education.
          * The first use of 'OK' in print was in the Boston Morning Post of 23 March 1839 by CG Green, as a reference to 'Old Kinderhook', the nickname for Martin Van Buren, (a favourite of and successor to Jackson), who was 8th US President from 1837-41, whose home town was Kinderbrook, New York.
          * The African US slave languages 'Ewe' and 'Wolof' both contained the word 'okay' to mean 'good'. Slavery in the US effectively began in 1620 and lasted until 1865, so this was certainly an early American origin of the term.
          * Probably even pre-dating this was a derivation of the phonetic sound 'okay' meaning good, from a word in the native American Choctow language.
          * The American anecdotal explanation of railroad clerk Obidiah Kelly marking every parcel that he handled with his initials is probably not true, nevertheless the myth itself helped establish the term.
          * Perhaps just as tenuously, from the early 1800's the French term 'Aux Quais', meaning 'at or to the quays' was marked on bales of cotton in the Mississippi River ports, as a sign of the bale being handled or processed and therefore 'okayed'. (The modern-day French public notice 'acces aux quais', means to the trains.)
          * A similar French derivation perhaps the use of the expression 'Au Quai' by cotton inspectors in the French Caribbean when rating the quality of cotton suitable for export. (Ack GR)
          * In a similar vein, women-folk of French fishermen announced the safe return of their men with the expression 'au quai' (meaning 'back in port', or literally 'at the quayside'). (Ack DH)
          * The expression '0 Killed' was a standard report, and no doubt abbreviation to 'OK', relating to a nigh-time's fatalities during the First World War, 1914-18.
          * In Europe, The Latin term 'Omnes Korrectes' was traditionally marked on students test papers to mean 'all correct'.
          * The Greek 'ola kala' means 'all is well'. The Finnish 'oikea' means correct. Scottish 'och aye' means 'yes' or 'for sure' (from the Scottish pronunciation of 'oh, aye', aye being old English for yes).
          * The Scottish expression 'Och Aye' was mimicked by the English in a mocking fashion, and this became 'okay'. (Ack JM)
          * In the Victorian era, during the British occupation of India, the natives could not speak English very well, so "all correct" sounded like "orl krect". This was soon shortened to OK, hence our modern usage of the term. (Ack. Philip Holbourn)

          http://www.businessballs.com/clichesorigins.htm
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            earsz ~ 14 months ago
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            Word History: OK is a quintessentially American term that has spread from English to many other languages. Its origin was the subject of scholarly debate for many years until Allen Walker Read showed that OK is based on a joke of sorts. OK is first recorded in 1839 but was probably in circulation before that date. During the 1830s there was a humoristic fashion in Boston newspapers to reduce a phrase to initials and supply an explanation in parentheses. Sometimes the abbreviations were misspelled to add to the humor. OK was used in March 1839 as an abbreviation for all correct, the joke being that neither the O nor the K was correct. Originally spelled with periods, this term outlived most similar abbreviations owing to its use in President Martin Van Buren's 1840 campaign for reelection. Because he was born in Kinderhook, New York, Van Buren was nicknamed Old Kinderhook, and the abbreviation proved eminently suitable for political slogans. That same year, an editorial referring to the receipt of a pin with the slogan O.K. had this comment: "frightful letters ... significant of the birth-place of Martin Van Buren, old Kinderhook, as also the rallying word of the Democracy of the late election, 'all correct' .... Those who wear them should bear in mind that it will require their most strenuous exertions ... to make all things O.K."
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              earsz ~ 14 months ago
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                Dr. Fallon ~ 14 months ago
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                Nobody's really sure where "OK" came from, but one guess has to do not with Andrew Jackson, but with his successor Martin Van Buren who was known popularly by the nickname "Old Kinderhook" (he was born in Kinderhook, NY, in the Hudson River Valley). During Van Buren's run for the Presidency in 1836, the new Democratic clubs that were springing up became known as "OK Clubs" after Van Buren's nickname. When, during Van Buren's tenure, someone was asked about a person's party loyalty, a positive response might have been, "He's an OK man."

                As I said, nobody's sure that this is the exact origin of the phrase, but those things are in the historical record.

                By the way, some trivia about Van Buren: 1] He was the first American President, that is to say, the first one born after the American Revolution. All previous seven Presidents had been born British subjects. 2] He is the first US President of whom we have a photograph (although not while he was in office).
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                  georgie ~ 14 months ago
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                  Thanks guys! It seems like there may be one right answer to these questions, but also many different ways to put the terms into historical context and to track their increasing popularity in colloquial language over time. I was very interested to read the varying responses and it just goes to show a simple conclusion: there's always more than one perspective!
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                    Mike ~ 14 months ago
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                      otakugeneration ~ 14 months ago
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                      intriguing, I never gave it any thought.

                      I always just assume OK was short for OKAY... and didn't think about it further.
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                        This is my two cents...

                           
                        Hey you know AdGuy always gets the last word! ;)

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