Relationship gone awry

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By jbravo (Contact - View My Woyano)
Published Sun 29 Jul 2007, 798 Views, 39 Comments

 

OK -- I've gone and done it now.  I managed to say something that pissed someone off enough to make them completely turn their back on me.  I don't feel it was warranted.  Didn't even get an explanation.  It's not like it's a great loss for me -- I didn't exactly have a lot in common with this person. Yet, I always tried to keep things civil -- even maintain an aire of friendly banter.  Tried to point out commonalities when I found them just to try to make a connection.   I never had high hopes or expectations --

So, tell me then, why do I still feel a sense of loss in this situation???


   


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    veddam ~ 16 months ago
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    Maybe it isn't loss It could be guilt. If it's something you said that cause this then that's my guess.
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      jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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      Thanks for the input. I was thinking that there might be a guilt component. However, I don't think I said anything that really warranted the action. Maybe it's a feeling of failure. Maybe I thought I could at least achive mutual respect. I guess I just have to accept the fact that you can't get along with everyone.
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        wyldcat ~ 16 months ago
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        There's always a sense of loss when you put effort into something and get an undesirable result. Obviously you cared enough about what this person thinks to try to get along in the first place, so I think your hurt feelings are both natural and admirable. There are a lot of people out there who would turn to anger first.
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          paloooka ~ 16 months ago
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          Oh, get your head out of your ass, and stop being a f*cking baby.
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            randomglenn ~ 16 months ago
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            whats the bet palooka was the person lol
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              jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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              *S* No -- In that particular case my expectations were properly set from the beginning. :-) There's something to be said for transparency and consistency, even if you don't agree with the message. It's the ones that sneak up on you that are perplexing.
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              snak ~ 16 months ago
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              I too am at a loss as to why I was struck from a friends list earlier this week with no apparent reason. Whilst my political leanings were not as far to the one side as this person, I recall no argument, no denigration of the person's views and yes, I feel too, a loss.

              However I feel no guilt, being sure that nothing I ever said was derogatory to them or their beliefs, but I know I'm a really nice guy - if anyone doesn't like me, that's a problem they have; not me.
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                jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                Sounds like we need to compare notes, snak. :-) Apparently, not all are as tolerant as they claim to be. While it perplexes me to some extent, I didn't lose a wink of sleep over it -- and I'm sure you didn't either!
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                  snak ~ 16 months ago
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                  No - not a wink :o)
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                Tequila Rose ~ 16 months ago
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                well..i love you both!!! whatever your views are on the things that affect us all in life!!
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                  snak ~ 16 months ago
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                  And I you too, TR - muchly :)
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                    jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                    Aww, shucks! I love you too!

                    I do value your opinion on things around here!
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                    randomglenn ~ 16 months ago
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                    I however mostly just love myself , and TR in a totaly unhealthy way.
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                      randomglenn ~ 16 months ago
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                      anyways , are you on my friends list jbravo? if not , have a new one and add me. if you already are then i apologise for forgetting .
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                        jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                        Thanks, RG. You're on there! And I promise I won't delete you unless you become really, REALLY annoying. :-)

                        (Actually, I would never delete anyone unless they became personally threatening).
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                        Tequila Rose ~ 16 months ago
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                        PIVO FOR ALL!!! (Beer in Czech)
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                          jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                          Pivo dobrư ... Beer is good!
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                            snak ~ 16 months ago
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                            > belch!
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                          arooka ~ 16 months ago
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                          jbravo - There is no guilt in this situation, what you are feeling is actual hurt and pain. This comes from your lack of acknowledgement that your friendship, yes friendship, has been destroyed by your insensitivity during a time for your friend, when he/she was likely in need. You may not have cared deeply, but you made an effort to communicate and have banter with this person, which is an attempt at friendship.
                          So now it is upto you, to either try to salvage your relationship with this person - appologize, or to let it go as just another bad mistake in life. Hope you learn something.
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                            jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                            Good advice, arooka -- thanks. I might actually try that in this case -- if I can convince myself it might help. I'll have to stew on it awhile.
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                            georgie ~ 16 months ago
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                            This has happened to me also, but in past dealings with folks online. For me it was a horrible, gut wrenching sense of rejection, when I strive to be liked (or at least accepted) by everyone I meet. We can try to come up with reasons why people choose not to be our best friends, that it must be something wrong with "them" and not "me", but essentially it touches on much more vulnerable places from our own histories, earlier times when we felt rejected or abandoned suddenly and without what would seem like proper cause. That is, I think, one of the possible sources of this pain.

                            As for what to do with it, most people would try and get rid of the feeling by switching off, having a drink, getting angry, doing anything they can to win the other person back... it's tough to just sit with that suffering. But eventually, it gets easier and you can decide whether you really wanted that person in your life, or if letting them go would actually be better for you.
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                              snak ~ 16 months ago
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                              Alternatively of course, it's possible to accept so many friendships on sites like these that the list goes on and on. It's entirely feasible that someone with a long list of friends would delete those they have little or no communication with in order to make the list more manageable......
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                                jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                                True. But not in this case. It wouldn't explain the deleted comments on postings, or the friend deletion immediately after I made contact via messaging. Bottom line -- they just don't like me. C'est la vie!
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                                  clemmati ~ 16 months ago
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                                  Hmmm. It's like your being non-personned, written out of history. However much you know it's them, not you, it has to hurt, Georgie's right about that. But, well, it will pass.
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                                jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                                Thanks, Georgie. I knew I could count on you to put some perspective on this! :-)

                                I'm really not that hurt in this particular case. Honestly, my motivation for this posting was more along the lines of community building -- to get people to react and talk about situations like this. Because, there are times when you ARE heavily invested in a relationship, and it really DOES hurt.

                                Personally, I always blame myself first when something like this happens. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing. I suppose hurt and blame need to be put into perspective, regardless of where they're directed.

                                My advice -- and you might agree -- would be to make sure that you do get perspective from other people who can look at your situation a lot more objectively than you can.
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                                  Tequila Rose ~ 16 months ago
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                                  Unless you did something wrong why should you blame yourself? If the other person is the one with the problem then don't let that affect how you feel about you- otherwise its a double insult from them-

                                  some people just have an axe to grind with the world ... and making short term online relationships and then cutting them off is just one way of garnering attention and illusions of power- you were never "real" to begin with.

                                  Some people just fade out of our lives online and offline with no real intent against you at all either..

                                  but unless you personally set out an attack.. don't take it personally.

                                  thanks for bringing up the subject though! :)
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                                    jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                                    No prob. Guess blaming myself is just a character flaw of mine. I will work on it . It does help immensely when I get that outside perspective. Thanks!
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                                      snak ~ 16 months ago
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                                      JB - you and I are not that different, mate. You said: "Personally, I always blame myself first when something like this happens" ... I know what you mean. But in my case, I examine as much as I can and then realise it's not my fault. It's easier to lose an online friendship than a real life one though - sometimes losing a real life friendship is devastating. There are many more people online than in any social circle.
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                                        jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                                        So true. Thanks.
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                                    smartttman ~ 16 months ago
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                                    I recently posted some very personal heat-retching facts about my personnel life and iwas largely gnored by thjis group you find it very cornvenent to be loveyd-ovey toucheyf-eely when it suits you but you are not a very em pathetic crowd my poor hear was broken by the callis disregard you all shoed me

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                                      Mark ~ 16 months ago
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                                      now i have an idea how the people i get bored talking to feel...
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                                        Loves Bloc Party ~ 16 months ago
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                                        LOL
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                                          savbill ~ 16 months ago
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                                          Online and email communications add a very different and complicated dynamic to communications. For example IF YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS IT MAY BE INTERPRITED AS YELLING. With email you do not get instant feed back like with a direct conversation or even a phone call. It is easy to say something in an email or post that you may not say face to face, or to get caught up in a flurry of responses that may not even be based on the original message. You must also consider the capacity of the person you are attempting to communicate with to read and understand your message. I'm relating most of my thoughts on this to communications in the work place. Recently I attempted to detail a process suggestion in an email to a manager and supervisor. There was an exchange of emails that were not specific to the origianl topic. This ended up being forwarded to HR and a director, with a comment that I was not doing my job. The thing was the manager forwarded it without reading the original email, only the Subject line and the replies from the supervisor. I knew this because I had set an email Notification on the original message. The manager did follow-up with an email that I did make a good point after he read the original message a day later. But no apology - many times people will not apologize. So if you feel you've been slighted - don't hold out for an apology. For me it works best to not hold on to any anger. It is far better to wait for a later opportunity to present your ideas or move on to something else without holding any grudge.
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                                            randomglenn ~ 16 months ago
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                                            GOOD , NOW I KNOW HOW TO GET MY POINT ACROSS.
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                                              smartttman ~ 16 months ago
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                                              I RECENTLY POSTD SOME VERY PERSONNEL HEART-WRETCHING FACTS ABOOT MY POISONAL LIFE AND I WAS LARGLY IGNORDE BY THIS GRUOP YOU FIND IT VERY CONVENEINT TO BE LOFEY-DOFEY AND OUCHY-FEEELY WHEN IT SUTES YOU BUT YOU ARE NOT A FERRRY EM PATTHETIC CROWD MY POOR HEART WAS BORKEN BY THE CALLUS DIPSREGARD YOU ALL SHEWED ME

                                              AND SO FOURTH
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                                                bakelite ~ 16 months ago
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                                                "So, tell me then, why do I still feel a sense of loss in this situation???"

                                                Is it loss you think or just that we as humans can't stand the thought that someone does not like us? We are so dependent.
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                                                  xgames ~ 16 months ago
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                                                  I was just joking around once , and realy offended a good friend online . The feeling was one that realy was odd , kind of empty feeling , Ok it was a real fucked up feeling , so i sent an e-mail in a one time attempt to say i was sorry and verry insensitive and that i would not bother this one special person again with any contact . I recieved a reply and we have since been in contact , but i cant help to feel that things will never be the same again and that somthing was lost in the friendship .. So i guess what im saying is i have learned to be mindful of what i say online , with my bad typing and grammer , its easy to come accross wrong , atleast for me , soo be careful , with a few taps of the keyboard you can hurt sombody special that in no way you intended to.....Ok then ,I have no idea what caused me to share that with you people , but i did
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                                                    jbravo ~ 16 months ago
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                                                    Thanks for telling us about that, xgames. I'm sorry that you lost something from this relationship. You're right -- sometimes it's impossible to get back what you once had after a careless mistake.

                                                    In the past I've also made mistakes that hurt people. Part of my problem was that at the time, I felt insecure and insignificant. I think subconsciously, this translated (wrongly) to a feeling that it didn't really matter what I did or said to someone else -- how could it possibly matter? Well, it did. After that, I promised that no matter how I felt about myself, I would always remember that I can have a huge influence on someone else, and to act accordingly.

                                                    That goes for everyone here. Don't ever underestimate the impact you have in other peoples lives.
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                                                      snak ~ 16 months ago
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                                                      Sometimes we learn more about ourselves from the actions, or inactions, of others :o)
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                                                        This is my two cents...

                                                           
                                                        Hey you know AdGuy always gets the last word! ;)

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