Iraq - Other Figures

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By florencev (Contact - View My Woyano)
Published Sat 08 Sep 2007, 650 Views, 43 Comments

Will you believe the non-partisan Government Accountability Office (GAO), the CIA, the National Intelligency Estimate (NIE) and the Defense Intelligence Agency OR the Administration and it's senior officers in Baghdad, who say that reductions in violence proves that their war strategy is working.

The GAO, CIA, NIE, DIA along with the Washington Post, the Associated Press and the New York Times all call the military's findings into question.

Watch Gen. David Petraeus say that sectarian deaths are down 75% since the beginning of the 'surge' so that we stay for another 10 years.  To get that 75%, they are cherry-picking facts and re-writing reports and using misleading data to claim progress, rather than show the facts that the escalation is not working.  

While being the bloodiest summer for American troops running at double the pace of last year, Iraqi sectarian violence is also doubling in the north as people leave Baghdad. 

As for counting Iraqi deaths, they are only counting if someone is shot in the back of the head, not in the front of the head.  They are not counting deaths by car bombs or Shiite-on-Shiite and Sunni-on-Sunni violence, except in certain instances. 

The AP counted 1,809 civilian deaths in August, making it the highest monthly total this year.  This year Iraq has double the war-related deaths over last year.  Daily totals were 33 in 2006, they are 62 so far this year.  The number of displaced Iraqis civilians has more than doubled from 447,337 on Jan 1st to 1.14 million on July 31st.

More Figures:  It's interesting the way the administration and the U.S. press have moved from using the words 'insurgents', 'Shiite' and 'Sunni' to 'Al Qaeda foreign fighters'.  We are continuously told that Al Qaeda and Iran are doing all the killing. 

The Center of Strategic International Studies (CSIS) and some less partisan press say that while foreign fighters may stoke the insurgency flames, they make up only about 4% to 10% of the estimated 30,000 insurgents.

Ned Parker of the LA Times reports that of 19,000 "insurgents" held by the US military in Iraq, only 135 are foreigners.  That's less than 1%.  Parker also says they aren't from Shiite Iran either.  He says 45% are from our friend Saudi Arabia, 15% from Syria and Lebanon, (mostly Sunni), and 10% from Sunni North Africa.  With these figures, given by a U.S. officer in Iraq, it looks like either Al Qaeda or Iran would have a hard time taking over Iraq.



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    Loves Bloc Party ~ 15 months ago
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    cherry picking and rewriting reports, spinning spinning spinning

    revisionists of history

    yep this is an art form that the bush administration excels at

    its sad that people keep on believing that bullshit

    This past summer has been the deadliest for American soldiers serving in Iraq. Course we never talk about the collateral damage that is the Iraqi civilians.
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      starrman ~ 15 months ago
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      What's your point, most people have realised that Iraq is populated by a significant number of nut cases, but why on earth should the US want to be there for another ten years.
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        starrman ~ 15 months ago
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        Loves Bloc, do you ever talk about Iraqi Muslims killing Iraqi Muslims, in far greater numbers than any US activity has caused.
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          florencev ~ 15 months ago
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          My point in this is that this Administration wants to stay in Iraq because it gives them a base in the Oil Rich Middle East. They had to leave Saudi Arabia, which is what Bin Laden wanted. So we need our troops to go somewhere. There is a war for oil about to happen. China is going to need as much or more oil than we do.

          Seeing as the Administration refuses to move the U.S. of oil and on to alternative energy, we will keep having to fight wars for oil.

          The Administration are trying to have us believe that it isn't the Iraqi Shiia Muslims killing Iraqi Sunni Muslims, but that it is Sunni Al Qaeda and Shiia Iran who are doing all the killing and that they are working together, which is ridiculous. This is so that they can make us believe that we should bomb Iran and believe that somehow Bin Laden is in Iraq and is planning to take over the U.S.
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            lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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            Florence,

            Are you working on alternatives? What is 'this adiministration' supposed to do, what has 'any administration' done?

            I'm sure all of us Right Wing Nutjobs just can't wait to see our friends being killed in Iran, it would bring back memories of the good ole summer of '79, and then how about 1983? Iran has done nothing but forward their agenda of repression in that time, and of course, since the bad guys of our government say Iranians are involved in the instability in Iraq it is nothing but lies? I sure hope the administration you and your believers elect solve all of these problems right away, I expect nothing less. Who are those people anyhow? Where are these ideas?
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            florencev ~ 15 months ago
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            The whole system is rigged. It is run by the coporations. They have their fingers in both parties.

            WE don't have a chance of getting the truth out as the media is owned by the same corporations that are making a fortune selling ammunitions for the war.
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              lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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              Yet the GAO, as long as they say what you believe is credible, along with the media that sings the right song?
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                florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                No, we aren't going to hear the GAO report. Try and find it anywhere. You won't. You have to go to the internet, or the back pages of a few investigative newspapers, or the official site (where no one goes), to find it. You won't hear about it on ANY of the news outlets. By the way, which TV news outlet to you watch?
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                  earsz ~ 15 months ago
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                  I read about it in my local newspaper.
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                    florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                    That is good to hear. What paper was that. They must be pretty balanced.
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                lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                None, NBC when my wife has it on, it's all entertainment.
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                  lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                  You?
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                    florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                    Keith Olbermann, Countdown on MSNBC, C-Span, LinkTV (on Satellite), PBS, Amy Goodman's DemocracyNow! www.democracynow.org
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                    florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                    Keith Olberman's Countdown on MSNBC, Amy Goodman's DemocracyNow! www.democracynow.org Jon Stewart's Daily Show on Comedy Central, C-Span, BBC World on PBS, LinkTV's Mosaic, International Dateline from Australia, DW News from Germany (on satellite). www.linktv.org
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                      lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                      That's quite a list of unbiased outlets.
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                        florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                        Well there's FOX News and all it's Fox afflilliates. ABC and all it's affiliates on the right. Then there's CNN which is sort of in the middle, although I wouldn't call Glen Beck a leftie. PBS is starting to trend right. Even the BBC is leaning more to the right. NBC & MSNBC has right wing Tucker Carlson and Chris Matthews. Look at the programs I mentioned above . You will see they are all single programs, not whole networks, apart from LinkTV, which is pretty small. They are truly TINY compared to the right wing TV programming that permeates American airwaves.
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                      lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                      No thanks, I can watch movies with popcorn for my entertainment. I don't distrust everybody in my country, especially the veterans and those serving. I'm a veteran, those I served with are now in very senior positions or retired. We continue to support one another and believe it or not we still talk. I don't need to watch histronics.
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                        starrman ~ 15 months ago
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                        Florencev, what an active imagination you have, or perhaps you're just full of liberal leftist rhetoric.
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                          florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                          As opposed to right wing religious rhetoric? Actually, my imagination isn't that clever, I go for the facts. I get them from unbiased Government organizations, or newspapers like the Washington Post.
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                            lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                            Fair and Balanced = Left

                            Anything else = Right Wing Nut

                            C'mon Starman, you know the drill.
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                              kookymonstir ~ 15 months ago
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                              yup any thing mainstream is right wing propaganda. They think Hillary Clinton is in the center I mean COME ON.......
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                          rebelcause ~ 15 months ago
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                          Kooky......but SHE thinks she is. It's Hillary's little world, we're just allowed to live in it. *L*
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                            florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                            Where are you all getting your facts from? Don't you read papers like the Washington Post, or are they too left wing for you?
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                              kookymonstir ~ 15 months ago
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                              The post?!! you gotta be kidding me, yes they are definatly slanted too far left for me to take seriously. I do, however read it from time to time. I don't need any facts other than the "FACT" that I see Hillary as a dirty politician who's socailist agenda is no good for the U.S. I get these facts just from listening to her
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                            florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                            I don't like what Hillary stands for, so I'd rather you didn't put me in the same boat as her. Especially when Rupert Murdoch, the owner of FOX News gives a fundraiser for her.
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                              lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                              Florenec,

                              I hope you are watching C-Span right now, or will you instead watch the filtered MSNBC version of things?
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                                florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                                Is a continued occupation the answer?

                                How do we rebuild Iraq, so that the people can go back to work. We now have 'insurgents' who used to be barbers, clerks, secretaries, shoe makers. They are out of work. They are angry. They are hungry, their children are hungry.

                                We took apart an independent nation. We got rid of their constitution and brought in Flat Taxes and Free Markets. This enabled Texas corporations to get all the contracts instead of offering work to the Iraqis. U.S. companies brought in people from Sri Lanka and the Phillipines to do the work at cheaper rates than the Iraqis could work. They are importing things from China to sell in the bazaars so that there is less work for the Iraqis to do.

                                Army's kill people and break things.

                                Marshall Plans, re-build the civil infrastructure of a county. The streets, the water, the electricity. Our Free Market U.S. companies are doing it on the cheap. It bring money back to the U.S., it doesn't help Iraq build itself.

                                It's not about escalation, it's about engineers, surveyors, teachers, doctors, city planners.

                                They don't need an oil sharing plan that gives most of the profit to International Oil Companies, rather than the Iraqi people.

                                Don't just shout at me. Let's have a REAL conversation.
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                                  lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                                  You converse in a very small defined way with assumptions that are short of any reality. There is no conversation, your methods cheapen our soldiers efforts and encourage those that they fight. What more is there to converse about?
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                                    florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                                    You converse in a very small defined way with assumptions that are short of any reality.

                                    I don't know how building back the infrastructure of a country is 'a very small defined way'. What is your plan to sort this out? If you are happy with what this administration is doing, explain to me what their long term plan for the area is?
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                                    lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                                    So your answer is clear you are not watching the unfiltered version. Thanks.
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                                      florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                                      I wrote a great long reply, but my internet gave out.

                                      Please define your reality. It is easy to pop out a quick retort. But unless we are going to define the problems that are facing us, we are just going to end up prolonging this mess.

                                      As to our soldiers. Our soldiers need more than talk. They need more money for up-armored vehicles, for body armor. They need to see decent pay, not to see private Blackwater military paid way more than them for doing the same job. They need to see a fully funded VA when they get home. They need to be supported financially so that they don't end up on the street or in distressed marriages.

                                      Where are you getting your unfiltered version apart from C-Span. C-Span is unfiltered, but there are even differing opinions on it. Are you open to hearing both sides?

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                                        starrman ~ 15 months ago
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                                        florencev, so it's not Hillary, prehaps it's Hugo Chavez, I would think he would be your soul mate.
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                                          florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                                          I find it interesting that you guys are happy with 'one liners' instead of trying to fix things.
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                                          lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                                          I haven't heard anything you've said as a fix for anything. I've heard plenty from you of all that is wrong but not a single thing about what to do, or anything you do besides bitch about it.

                                          This article you posted is much inline with the sentiment of the Move on add, far past reprehensible.
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                                            florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                                            You know, I want to thank you for taking the time to talk to me. I thought I had a whole load of things 'to do' that were positive and would help the troops and the citizens of Iraq, but you don't see it that way, so let's just agree to disagree.
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                                              Loves Bloc Party ~ 15 months ago
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                                              i give you credit for trying to reason and have an intelligent conversation with a bunch of sheep!

                                              you have more patience then i do.
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                                                lost74 ~ 15 months ago
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                                                She also has the ability to put together a coherent left wing rant, you on the other hand try but unfortunately for you Move On doesn't give out awards for trying.
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                                            rebelcause ~ 15 months ago
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                                            Lost, that's usually how it goes. All complaints no answers, and I find it funny as all get out how people spend so much time blogging on here or other sites, but very little else doing anything about it.
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                                              Mighty Miniscule ~ 15 months ago
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                                              florencev, you make some good points. I think lost74 has some emotional issues about this that do not allow for the use civil responses.
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                                                florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                                                Thanks Loves and Mighty, I was beginning to feel like I was living in a world based on fear and terror.

                                                It is my understanding that around 1812 the White House was burned down by the British, but Dolly Madison did show fear, that there were indeed shells that fell on CA, OR and WA in the second world war. That we have been attacked on this land a number of times, but the American people didn't fall into fear.

                                                In the UK, when the IRA were bombing, in Bali, when they were bombing, in Germany when they were bombing, etc etc, those countries didn't give up their freedoms. They treated the 'evil doers' as criminals and didn't terrify their people with 'wars on terror'.

                                                What a great way to keep us in constant fear and undermine our freedoms.
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                                                  Loves Bloc Party ~ 15 months ago
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                                                  i love your posts florencev, you want to have real discussions about issues that concern you and that frankly should concern us all.

                                                  im glad you still post at woyano.

                                                  have you heard from dr fallon? do you think he will return?
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                                                    florencev ~ 15 months ago
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                                                    I haven't been checking his posts. I've been pretty busy. Do you have any idea where he went?
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                                                      Loves Bloc Party ~ 15 months ago
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                                                      i figure he is teaching, working on his book, and i think he went on vacation?

                                                      the pieces he wrote on here were some of my favorite, i miss him!
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                                                  This is my two cents...

                                                     
                                                  Hey you know AdGuy always gets the last word! ;)

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