These Google Ads, Darn Them!

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By earsz (Contact - View My Woyano)
Published Thu 27 Sep 2007, 466 Views, 17 Comments

 Putting it bluntly, I really dislike the Woyano format change that places ads within the contribution space, and especially those that even precede the starting line of contributions.

Generally speaking, I don't mind the Google ads elsewhere on these pages. They are small, they load quickly, one can ignore them readily enough, and there's nothing too wrong with finding ways to capitalize on a project _ especially since one doesn't have to contribute and can quit any time.

Now, however, it seems to me that what has been a nuisance has become an intrusion that to me raises questions  as to the appropriateness of continuing to contribute posts.  That even this complaint will be surrounded by such ads seems adding injury to insult.






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    Mark ~ 9 months ago
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    i think they should be everywhere...i love google ads and think the place would be a whole lot better if we could fill in all remaining spaces with google ads...

    just out of interest...are the webmasters tryin to get google to buy the site in one of them billion dollar deals we read about?
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      clemmati ~ 9 months ago
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      I see AdGuy's already here... I really dislike this too, earsz; ads are now everywhere! (AdGuy is particularly irritating, admittedly.)
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        pcklz ~ 9 months ago
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        Well.....if they're tracking stats, my guess is the "Ad Guy" ads are most often below the fold and probably don't get many clicks... I would be inclined to place a small link unit up in the corner above 'related items" however.... tis a cool bit of coding if ol ad guy is staying in the last post position....

        ahhhh...it does float beneath..... nice work, that -- stays well within adsense's terms however *l* must agree, the sandwich ads are intrusive
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          Loves Bloc Party ~ 9 months ago
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          i think it looks junky
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            JV ~ 9 months ago
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            I will bring these concerns up with the woyano team and report back by end of Monday :)
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              garye ~ 9 months ago
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              Just to echo JV's comment, we hear your concerns and will take a careful look at how best to address this. Our primary objective is to ensure Woyano users have a great experience. At the same time, we're trying to navigate how to generate the revenue to support and continue to develop the site.

              All thoughts on this are welcome.

              Graeme (Woyano CEO)
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                clemmati ~ 9 months ago
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                Well. I've just posted about Burma, twice. The first time, the html editor went on strike -- wouldn't let me use 'Update' -- so I copied the material into the post. Result, all tags visible and not working. So I posted again, pasting the previous post into a comment to my second post: finally, the links are there.

                That, graeme, was not a great experience. Why can't the posting boxes be as accommodating as the comment boxes, and if they can't be, why can't they accept html?

                (OK it finally worked but it's unclear how. Perhaps a posting box FAQ?)
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                JV ~ 9 months ago
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                Hi,

                We have had a discussion at the office about this and have a proposal, so please let us know what you think about this.

                What we propose is to remove the ad at the top of the content if you are logged in to Woyano, however for people who have just landed on Woyano via Google search we propose to leave it on.

                So basically regulars wont see the add at the top, and others will.

                We could also apply the same logic to adguy if you feel strongly about this.

                Please let us know what you would like to do!

                Cheers,
                JV

                p.s. The reason why we put it there is because it was a source of revenue, and putting it in the content increases the amount it earns.
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                  earsz ~ 9 months ago
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                  RE ads at top: That seems a decent compromise, and it's commendable of you to be resposive to concerns. Personally, I think content itself should be wholly free of ads _ that is, surround it all you wish, but separate it. For oen thing, if a given viewer finds the content deplorable, and the presence of ads implies sponsorship, then their placemetn with the content will work against their effectiveness as ads. However, if the ads need to remain, then your proposl has merit.

                  As for AdGuy: I think that's a nuisance and is ineffective, and sometimes even is laughable, but ads at the end are far less intrusive. As for why you put them various locations, of course it's for the money, and that's understandable. However, it seems to me that placement must be weighed against becoming counterproductive by reducing site use/acceptance..

                  Incidentally, I'm seeing increased use of practices similar to yours elsewhere; perhaps it's becoming pervasive. I think people soon learn merely to ignore them, however _ that such littering of all spaces reduces their effectiveness. Wonder if someone's done a study?
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                    Tequila Rose ~ 9 months ago
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                    If you had the "adguy" at the bottom of the page just as Ads and not as a poster- it might look better..

                    making it look like another "person" is distracting..
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                      jfmuk ~ 9 months ago
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                      Not always ...
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                        Alistair Mad Scotsman ~ 9 months ago
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                        Personally i dont mind the ads. I treat the ones that I dont like the same as the people in chat... i.e. i glance, decide if i want to see it, and then if not, disregard it completely. I do like Ed Winchester as the tag pic though and really don't see a problem with an entry at the bottom of every topic! lol

                        I say count your lucky stars. There's no castle media pop ups for example! I hate those! I have a friend who works for double click dot com... who've now been taken over by google incidentally. Their ads can be a pain. This site does load slowly however, so something must be causing that, but I don't imagine it is adverts.

                        A suggestion : Create the option for a signature for each member, which is used only at the end of a topic they post/add, (not in replies to topics though), so that the format makes the ads after the content posted by the user obviously something other than a user contribution. That way it is easily discernible where the user input post ends, and the ads which are there are obviously not placed nor endorsed by the contributee. This way JV n co still get x amount of ads per page, and newbies / passers through can differentiate.

                        There is also another idea... the actual "page" we read, only constitutes ummm.. about 2/7ths of the screen space. The ads could go at either side, currently taken up with grey tone shading, while the "page" could be scrollable like in html frames...

                        Hope this input adds to the mixer!
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                          earsz ~ 9 months ago
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                          Ali: having a signature that marks end of contribution is a good idea. One can simply provide his or her own, however. Like,duhhhh, why didn't we think of this earlier? *s*
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                          JV ~ 9 months ago
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                          We haven't forgotten about this. We've just moved server so were in the middle of admin hell right now.

                          I'll keep you updated about this issue and let you know when we've made the logged/in out issue.
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                            JV ~ 9 months ago
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                            Ok.

                            The ads have been removed off the top of the page for logged in users. We moved them to the top of the site instead.

                            Is this ok?

                            Cheers,
                            JV
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                              earsz ~ 9 months ago
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                              I think it's much better that way. But, why are the ads being left within content space for those who aren't logged in? If the ad placement has had a negative impact on registered users, doesn't it continue to have a negative impact on the others as well? But perhaps my concern about the matter is overdrawn. Perhaps adverts have become so ubiquitous as to be having ever decreasing impact in any event. If so, there sure is a lot of money being spent to little avail!! *s*

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                              Terro101 ~ 9 months ago
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                              HaHa,Go on AdGuy...You show em...at the end of the day it's all about the "two cents"LOL.Give me a break, I mean some people will complain and get worked up over absolutely nothing wont they ???? LOL, yeah me too....

                              Download free toolbar, that sounds good, thank-you AdGuy!!! My Hero !!!

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                                This is my two cents...

                                   
                                Hey you know AdGuy always gets the last word! ;)

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