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Why can't people just be content they exist at all, rather than try and fill themselves with self importance via some higher meaning? This kind of arrogance about us as a species having meaning is the beginning of what will highly likely be the extinction of us all, as it goes from "I am here because..", to, "We are here because..." to, "You are here because".. which then turns into conflict.... just like the world is in today... and then the question asked by other intelligences after we've wiped ourselves out eventually won't be "Why did humans exist", but "Why did they cease to exist", but there will be no one left to offer an explanation.
Don’t you think us finding purpose and meaning has something to do with evolution of the mind?
You seem to have restricted yourself only to body.
You must consider mind and spirit as well, understanding all three helps I find.
Yup that's exactly right. Animals are a product of evolution, as are we. We have an animal existence.
Don’t you think us finding purpose and meaning has something to do with evolution of the mind?
You're right again. I indeed don't think us finding purpose and meaning has something to do with the evolution of the mind. I think it has something to do with the over-active imagination and society's continuous bombardment to us of archaic belief systems which have evolved parallel with our own imagination.
When other life forms were the dominant ones on this planet, i don't believe that they thought they had a purpose. Why should we? Do you, as a person, need a purpose in your life to make you live a good life? Have you no concept of altruism? To do good, because you have the capacity to do good, not because of some obligation to a religion or set of beliefs which will eventually recompense you for your efforts?
Isn't it a touch shallow to do good things, to live a good live, purely because of a belief system and the rewards, be those rewards solid, or the ones hoped for in an afterlife, when in fact, a person can be a good person.... because they can.
To need a purpose, or to attribute a spirit or some other essence/entity as the inspiration to being a good human being in the short time we are here, suggests to me that without that, people think that they might not have the self control, or the strength of conscience, to maintain a good life without it, so they need to create a reward to keep them on the right path. I don't believe the human race needs this. Society however, attempts to dictate to us that we do.
You're right again. I indeed don't think us finding purpose and meaning has something to do with the evolution of the mind. I think it has something to do with the over-active imagination and society's continuous bombardment to us of archaic belief systems which have evolved parallel with our own imagination.
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As i see Alistar, you are very solid in your belief about Evolution right? But isnt it everything that you have written is just a product of the so-called "over-active imagination and society's continuous bombardment to us of archaic belief systems which have evolved parallel with our own imagination."
If we will look closely, those who "bombarded us", our society, had been also a result of bombardment by the "past society". Then who really is responsible for all of this?
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"I am here because..", to, "We are here because..." to, "You are here because".. which then turns into conflict.... just like the world is in today... and then the question asked by other intelligences after we've wiped ourselves out eventually won't be "Why did humans exist", but "Why did they cease to exist", but there will be no one left to offer an explanation.
-I like this part...
We can assume that everyone has a unique purpose of existence. First, as a human,or as part of a society, we feel it and then acknowledge it. Then as time passes by, we change our mind or should I say we experience an alteration of feelings for our own exisence and then "reprogram" or what we say "we grow". The negative thing is our personal perception of our existence is just an opinion for others. Then they start to clash. Why? Because opinion clashes against someones opinion.
These are my opinions. thanks for listening (reading).
Nowadays, the blame lies with ourselves, and our parents. We have available to us the knowledge that we evolved from crawly slimy things in the sea. But parents still take their kids to church/ temple/mosque and fill their heads first with wonderful stories, which eventually end up shaping the psyche of the child.
250 years ago, had someone turned up in a jet plane, they would've been hailed as a God (especially if that plane fired a missile at the ground somewhere doing a good impression of Smiting the Earth). But, at least the concept of an airgoing craft was around. 1000 years ago, that concept would have go you killed, probably burnt. To not think in the way the ruling people said you should, got you killed. So then, consider how people would've reacted 2000 years ago, or 4000.
This is why these things are still so buried within us. It's a survival instinct, believe what we are told or we might die. It's why we have such a fear of snakes and spiders. Thousands of years upon years of learned behaviour, until, even when we know it is irrational to jump away from that small house spider which is eyeing your leg with intent, we still do, and the goose bumps at the idea of that same spider crawling over our flesh, is part of the same response.
The key word above is irrational. But these fears can be cured, either by reason, or therapy and reason combined. However, there has to be a clear want to remove ones self from the state of control which we are under, for this to work. Someone throwing a spider at you unexpectedly and yelling ARRRRGG!! wont help one bit, but gentle introduction to reason and knowledge will, and the hold is slowly deconstructed.
The problem is, this form of deconstruction from the hold which religions/belief systems have on us is not really what society today wants us to have, because of its inherent hold over us. We are controllable, and what's so clever about the system is that, once in place, it polices its self if you get what I mean. Parents indoctrinate children who become parents who indoctrinate their children.. etc etc, and as long as that happens and not too many people dispute the concept behind the control/belief system (which most people don't do because they are programmed to think the concept of QUESTIONING the concept, is wrong) the system self propagates. It works a little like a congenital virus.
People have so little sense of self these days that they cling to their belief system because, should that leave them, they will have nothing else. No purpose, etc. I think there is a fear that, if the belief system is dis-assembled, then because they believe, it, and themselves, are so intrinsically linked, they then dis-assemble themselves and all that they are. This is why rather than people just attacking belief systems, what is needed is to re-enforce, or even aid to create, a sense of "I can be special because I'm me", self love, rather than self loathing *eyes the original sin concept with contempt*, because then people can actually begin to look at life, see how they have been controlled by irrationality and almost assimilation, and then start to live in a way which gives them actual freedom, rather than just the illusion of it.
Some however, will still choose the illusion. It is true that it will appear safer. Maybe the right expression there is... Better the devil you know...? lol
you wrote 'or the strength of conscience, to maintain a good life'. Define stregth of conscience without relying on the values of the society around you.
...I would hate to think it's as bad as all you people make it out to be.
Hey you know AdGuy always gets the last word! ;)